Subject: RE: Big Deal. Post it on Dice.
ok, fine, maybe I’m wrong. whatever. I accept the opinion of the majority. whatever. go ahead, shout me down.
Subject: You have a valid position. Stand up for it.
I’m sorry if it has come off as “piling on”. You are absolutely correct about the dangers of having job postings here. File Save is absolutely correct about the long time developers desperate for work. I, for one, don’t know what the right answer is. Please do continue to share your side.
Subject: RE: You have a valid position. Stand up for it.
Well, the thing is clear. Stan, and the ridiculous File Save, clearly have the opinion that recruiters should be free to post here. And thier opinion, because of the large numbers of unemployed developers, has a ring of ‘rightness’ to it, as though the opinion that is opposite is somehow ‘against’ them getting jobs, or being intelligent.
BS. I hope every unemployed developer gets a job -today-. And I hope they all can find the open positions listed in an appropriate place. Is someone advertising for six arch-angel developers here going to somehow improve the technical content of the forum ? Gimme a break. Its an emotional point of view they are taking, not a rational one.
I think I’ll go to Dice and search for some code samples, now. Maybe if I start posting code there, it will make the available jobs more plentiful. Whatever.
Subject: RE: You have a valid position. Stand up for it.
Excuse me? If you want to call me a name, do it to my face. I was offering an opinion much as you were. How does the opinion I offer make me “Ridiculous”. I do not want recruiters blasting a forum like this much for the same reason others do, but it does not mean that all postings about employment are out of line.
My point is that you never leave a leaf unturned in a job search. It has nothing to do with a ring of “rightness”. It has to do with your “ridiculous” contention that only bad or poor developers would respond to such a posting when that may not be the case (notice that I am attacking your position, not you personally).
Have you ever been unemployed for an extended period of time?
If this kind of posting were “out of bounds” for these fora, it would be so noted in the acceptable use policies of the fora. And it is not. And as I also pointed out, the R4/R5 forum has an “Employment” category.
I never said that the opposing “opinion” was against people getting jobs. In fact, I have publicly blasted recruiters in this forum for resource fishing with no meaningful job being there.
And the reality is also that you never know how recruiters will find you. Just ask any number of us that are blogging. I had an off-line conversation with the person who did the posting and it is clear that he did it for a very simple reason: the inability to find Domino Developers with a Top Secret/SCI-Lifestyle Polygraph. So he was trying a different approach.
I also think that this thread had a very good discussion about Security Clearances that others down the road may do a search on and find useful. So is that a bad secondary benefit?
I have no problem if you want to attack a statement/position that I make or have made, but do not attack me personally unless you know me. There is only one poster in here that I attack personally and others who use the forum regularly know who this is and why.
And just WHY do you think I am ridiculous (or is it just the name that is ridiculous to you)? I hope you have the backbone to answer publicly. That is one of the beauties of free speech and discourse.
Subject: Saw your post, didn’t bother reading it (eom)
Subject: I will just reread it on the Beach in San Diego Next Week
I might have a new client out there. Going to talk to them about employee postings in public discussion fora and the business risks associated with them.
Subject: Changed my mind. Don’t bother standing up for it.
Rudeness and obnoxiousness will tend to earn you just what you deserve both here in this forum and in the wider world.
Subject: RE: Big Deal. Post it on Dice.
Speaking as a person who has just accepted a job based on such a posting, I can say that I HAVE thought it through. You might want to do the same.
Subject: Don’t worry Stan. Hockey will be back eventually;-)
Subject: RE: Don’t worry Stan. Hockey will be back eventually;-)
You don’t read my blog, do you Chris?
Subject: RE: Don’t worry Stan. Hockey will be back eventually;-)
I try to…did I miss something here?
Subject: RE: Don’t worry Stan. Hockey will be back eventually;-)
Now I remember. I forgot about that posting. I was just being tongue in cheek here…you sound a little stressed like me:-).
Subject: RE: Don’t worry Stan. Hockey will be back eventually;-)
Watch “South Park”? Ever seen Tweak? That’s me in a nutshell these days.
Subject: RE: Big Deal. Post it on Dice.
as long as they are real jobs and not fishing expeditions…
Subject: I need 6 Lotus Notes Developers with Full lifestyle polygraphs
You and 50 other recruiters in the DC Area:-). and is it not spelled “Development?”
Subject: Hey, if someone is looking to hire Domino developers, a lot of people won’t complain about the spelling
And no, thanks, I am not available, but plenty are.
Subject: RE: Hey, if someone is looking to hire Domino developers, a lot of people won’t complain about the spelling
This is true. I was feeling punchy.
I have had an interesting email exchange with him where he confirmed that:
“Finding a Lotus Notes developer with a full lifestyle polygraph clearance is nearly impossible.”
Subject: Whats the difference between a Top Secret Clearance and a TS Full Lifestyle Polygraph?
Subject: RE: Whats the difference between a Top Secret Clearance and a TS Full Lifestyle Polygraph?
It is the full background check for a top-secret clearance plus the polygraph. If it is TS/SCI the burden is oven more daunting,
http://searchsecurity.techtarget.com/gDefinition/0,294236,sid14_gci902762,00.html
Subject: It may be daunting but worth a lot of money
Having the clearance is like GOLD! It can take a year but the big defense companies will sponsor you for it. Then you can leave them and make a lot of money at the smaller subcontracters. The catch: the process is invasive and you’re exposing everything about yourself. As long as you’re not a drug dealer or in league with Al Qaeda, you’ll probably make it. And you also have to live in or move to the DC Metro area. And be a US citizen.
Once you have it though, you’re doing the same type of Notes work everyone else is doing but the salary is way higher than the max that SearchDomino shows for any Notes position.