A future for Notes?

The key word (as I understand the article below) is "bifurcated."Basically this means that IBM-Lotus is competing with itself and J2EE will never be part of Domino.

What, if anything, does this mean for the future of Domino?

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IBM Lotus adds piece to Workplace pie

Mon Nov 3, 7:00 AM ET

Jon Panker, SearchDomino.com News Editor

This morning IBM Lotus announced a new component to its J2EE-based Lotus Workplace strategy and said it would detail additional capabilities later this week when it formally takes the wraps off the latest iteration of the Workplace product line.

Dubbed Team Collaboration, the software encompasses several Lotus offerings already widely used, including those for instant messaging (news - web sites), Web conferencing, collaborative workspaces, threaded discussions and document management.

Organizations can choose to deploy the Domino version of the products or J2EE-based components that they can embed in other applications or business processes, executives said. For instance, companies may choose to attach instant messaging capabilities within CRM software.

“We’re really taking a sort of bifurcated view,” said Mike Loria, IBM Lotus director of advanced collaboration. “Part of our story at Lotus is building a nicely integrated platform, as well as components that people can deploy elsewhere.”

Earlier this year, IBM Lotus delivered the first product in its Workplace line, Workplace Messaging, a Web-based e-mail platform designed for the so-called “deskless” worker. It runs on the WebSphere application server, uses DB2 as a message store and requires no desktop installation.

IBM Lotus followed up by delivering content management capabilities as a result of this summer’s acquisition of Aptrix.

Loria stressed that simplicity drives Workplace. “I have a need; I have a business problem. How quickly can I respond to that business problem?” he said.

Along with Team Collaboration, IBM Lotus is also releasing some enhancements to the software itself. These include a redesigned user interface for Web conferencing meeting presenters.

On Wednesday, the company is scheduled to unveil Lotus Workplace Version 1.1, which is expected to include new collaborative components.

Subject: A future for Notes?

In a somewhat related note, I wrote in my blog yesterday a post called Barbarians are not at the gate.

Subject: RE: A future for Notes?

I am not yet sure of how to take all this. It seems like two very different tracks are being taken by IBM - and the Notes/Domino track is “back burner.”

The statements like being around for “at least a decade” and not comforting.

How do the IM abilities of Workplace compare with SameTime integration to R6.5?

I am not forecasting gloom and doom - but am, justifiably, concerned.

Subject: What statement from IBM would make you happy?

We have publically talked about ND7 for over a year now. In the last year we have release ND6.0, ND6.5, the new Domino Utility Server, and Domino Express. At the Lotus Workplace launch yesterday in Cambridge, Notes 8.0 was mentioned! We have published the following 2 whitepapers:

Domino Applications and the Lotus Workplace technical strategy

This paper will provide developers, CTOs and other IT decision-makers with information on the tools and technologies used to support Lotus Workplace. This includes information about the application server platforms available for use with Lotus Workplace; a section on application platform considerations to assist with selecting the appropriate platform for your application; information on how to leverage your investment in Domino; and a brief overview of the future of rapid application development.

http://www.lotus.com/products/product4.nsf/wdocs/d3ecdf4b0897dda885256dc10054a4e2

Protect and enrich your Lotus Notes and Lotus Domino investments

IBM is committed to supporting and advancing the Lotus Notes and Lotus Domino messaging server and application-development and deployment platform for years to come. So you can feel confident that your Lotus Notes and Lotus Domino investments are protected. When you’re ready, IBM can help you expand the collaborative capabilities of your Lotus investments by integrating them into Lotus Workplace. There you can continue to leverage Lotus Notes and Lotus Domino solutions—along with the value of integrated collaboration. You can customize your collaborative work environment with only the Lotus solutions necessary to meet your organization’s unique requirements. Increase user productivity. And cut unnecessary spending. All these benefits help to reduce your total cost of ownership.

http://www-3.ibm.com/software/swnews/swnews.nsf/n/jmae5sxlzr?OpenDocument&Site=lotus

What else would you like to see?

Alan - IBM

Subject: Just looking for a little clarity…

I read the Technical PDF and did find that to be very informative.

I guess what concerns me is the thought Notes/Domino may potentially become a seconday product to the new Workplace product.

IMO Notes/Domino has been the lead (even defining) product in RAD-GroupWare area and I would like to see it stay that way. What exactly will the “bifurcated” path be? Will that drain resources and/or customers from Domino - or will it compliment it?

As I said I am not forecasting doom and gloom - just trying to reconcile what appear to be somewhat disparate statements - between papers like the “Technical Strategy” document

(http://www.lotus.com/products/product4.nsf/wdocs/d3ecdf4b0897dda885256dc10054a4e2) and the press releases.

Subject: The goal is for Lotus Workplace to evolve based on the experience gained from Lotus’s last 20 years of collaboration leadership.

Just as cc:mail evolved into Notes which evolved into Notes and Domino which evolved into Notes/Domino/iNotes, and so on and so on and so on…

Subject: RE: The goal is for Lotus Workplace to evolve based on the experience gained from Lotus’s last 20 years of collaboration leadership.

[Just as cc:mail evolved into Notes]

cc:Mail didn’t evolve into Notes. Those were two separate and independent
product lines for a long time, until Lotus made the decision to push all
cc:Mail customers to Notes v3 when it came out. Surely you remember this,
Alan. The only reason they were able to do so is that the v3 mail template
finally started to have some UI parity with cc:Mail.

[which evolved into Notes/Domino/iNotes, and so on and so on and so
on…
]

Not that I object to the Workplace strategy, but it seems awkward at best to
suggest that the evolution of Notes to Domino, or Domino to iNotes, is similar
to the evolution of Domino to Workplace. Yes, all of these transitions were
made with the underlying experience of the core developers at Lotus. But while
the earlier evolutions embraced the existing skill sets of the user community,
Workplace doesn’t necessarily do that (at least not unless it can be developed
with @functions and Lotuscript, or is run on a central replicated directory
with automatic synchronization among geographically dispersed environments.)

That’s not to say the Workplace strategy is bad – it’s not. It’s just
interesting and amusing to see how the proliferation of the web has adjusted
user expectations so radically that IT departments now focus on TCO more than
user satisfaction. Workplace is going to be a great consolidator of resources
and services. It’s also going to be a massive communications bottleneck every
place it gets deployed – at least until the replication and stand-alone model
of Domino is transitioned into some kind of Workplace-branded Websphere/DB2
server bundle.

Subject: See my other response to you

See

Subject: A future for Notes?

As you might know (I’m assuming so much), Domino and WebSphere has overlapping domains of functionality. There has been attempts to ally the fears of the business and technical community by talking about a ‘Next Generation’ server type platform which would replace both Domino and WebSphere. The Cynics among the Notes group believes that this ‘Next Gen’ server will actually be WebSphere in disguise. I’m thinking that Big Blue has had some difficulty though in achieving the same sort of integration with WebSphere as has been achieved with Domino.

Personally I believe Domino is so good at what it does that it will survive allot - its a design/architecture/paradigm thing I believe. Also, I’m of the opinion that IBM has long ago decided that WebSphere is in and Domino out, come hell or high water. I’m thus beginning to align myself in such a way that I’ll be able to go the J2EE/WebSphere route. Fortunately Domino, by virtue of its excellence and customer loyalty, will stick around long enough for most of us to jump ship in a safe and fastidious manner.

IMHO

Vasvat

Subject: “What, if anything, does this mean for the future of Domino?”

I suggest starting with the Lotus Workplace webcast on lotus.com.

Next read Domino Applications and the Lotus Workplace technical strategy

This paper will provide developers, CTOs and other IT decision-makers with information on the tools and technologies used to support Lotus Workplace. This includes information about the application server platforms available for use with Lotus Workplace; a section on application platform considerations to assist with selecting the appropriate platform for your application; information on how to leverage your investment in Domino; and a brief overview of the future of rapid application development.

http://www.lotus.com/products/product4.nsf/wdocs/d3ecdf4b0897dda885256dc10054a4e2

You’ll see that Notes and Domino are clearly a part of Lotus Workplace. As are Notes and Domino 7, and dare I say version 8!

This week is the launch of Lotus Workplace, there will be a ton of material covering this, and you’ll see Notes and Domino are key.

Alan Lepofsky - Senior Marketing Manager, Lotus Workplace Products

Subject: What a great document!

It is the best explanation and understanding of Notes/Domino I’ve ever seen from IBM corporate! Ed/Alan and others know it so well and it’s probably in their DNA by now, but this is an excellent document.

It also gives Domino a place in the “under 5000 concurrent web user” market. :slight_smile: I’d love to see an R7 forum start up as well…time to start pleading/begging/insisting/bribing for new features. :slight_smile:

…Neil

Subject: Second IBM Article in this series

The article below says the new Workplace product would appeal largely to “new customers” - and that Notes/Domino would be around for “another decade.”

Is this comforting - or en exit strategy?

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IBM Lotus delivers Workplace additions

Wed Nov 5, 7:00 AM ET

Jon Panker, SearchDomino.com News Editor

IBM Lotus made good on its next-generation strategy today with the release of four products in its Workplace line, the company’s open-standards platform, first detailed at this year’s Lotusphere.

IBM Lotus Workplace 1.1 now features components for e-mail, collaboration, content management and learning. The applications are built on a common J2EE-based infrastructure, allowing organizations to easily add functionality or embed it within existing software or business processes.

The benefits to companies deploying Workplace include a central administration panel for all components, single user sign-on, a common look and feel across the modules, and a single point of access through the WebSphere portal.

“This isn’t about creating the ‘killer app,’” said Larry Bowden, IBM vice president of Lotus products. Instead, he said, the aim is to help organizations save the 40% of project budgets that IBM estimates is spent on integration.

IBM Lotus also made it clear that the Workplace line would appeal largely to new customers and existing customers choosing to expand their deployments. Executives said they are committed to maintaining a separate, though converging, road map for the users of Domino and the 110 million users of the Notes client.

“The Domino application server will be around for the next decade,” Bowden said.

The additions to Workplace include the latest iteration of the first product delivered in the line. Workplace Messaging 1.1, a Web-based e-mail system built on WebSphere that uses DB2 as its data store and is targeted at the “underserved” user, now includes calendaring features and delivers the inbox as a portlet.

One early adopter, life insurance and wealth management firm Manulife Japan, was able to get Workplace Messaging up and running in just six weeks. It used the LDAP directory attached to its existing portal to instantly provision new users.

“We didn’t need an expensive, fat e-mail client because we knew this wasn’t going to be used extensively,” said Guy Mills, assistant vice president of information systems at Manulife.

IBM Lotus Workplace Team Collaboration 1.1 features integrated instant messaging (news - web sites), Web conferencing and team workspaces. Executives stressed the simplicity of setting up an e-meeting, likening it to a “browser-based, broadcast kind of approach.”

Using the roles-based IBM Lotus Workplace Web Content Management 1.1, non-technical users can publish material within the Workplace environment, on a portal or on an application server. The application is the result of this summer’s acquisitions of Australian content-management provider Aptrix.

IBM Lotus Workplace Collaborative Learning 1.1 offers self-managed employee training and supports scheduling for both classroom-based and e-learning programs.

In a product demonstration, executives showed how functionality from each of the modules can easily be embedded within others. For example, users can see which colleagues are online from e-mail, use a “people finder” to access information about colleagues from the corporate directory, send an instant message, enter a collaborative workspace to trade documents and search for learning materials. Executives said target users include contact center workers who often need to solve customer problems by collaborating with colleagues.

Workplace will also support a variety of clients, including Notes, Microsoft Outlook, and a Web browser, as well as future support for mobile devices and a new rich client.

One existing customer is intrigued. Waltham, Mass.-based Tufts Health Plan is currently running 3,000 Notes clients. Yet it is also investigating a possible Workplace Messaging rollout, though it needs to finish its ND6 upgrade first.

“This is really new to us and doesn’t play into our immediate future,” said Jason Trabucco, a Notes administrator.

Analyst Michael Osterman of Osterman Research in Black Diamond, Wash., thinks embedded instant messaging capabilities offer the biggest value in Workplace. He said studies he’s conducted show Lotus Instant Messsaging (formerly Sametime) losing ground to Microsoft among companies standardizing on an enterprise (news - web sites) IM platform. Microsoft is applying added pressure with the integration of its Office suite with its new Live Communication Server.

“The front-edge [companies] are looking at ways to expand that IM envelope,” he said.

Today’s Workplace announcement is part of an aggressive road map for the next year that features a Workplace Version 2.0 release, which will include collaborative document management, a connected rich e-mail client and new development tools for business users. Plans also call for the ability to embed third-party business applications within the client. (See sidebar.)

IBM Lotus general manager Ambuj Goyal credited the common, open standards environment with giving his developers more time to dedicate to new products instead of constantly reproducing infrastructure constructs.

These latest offerings culminate a busy product cycle for IBM Lotus, which has been criticized in the past for letting too much time elapse between releases. In recent months, it has issued ND 6.5, Domino Express for SMBs and WebSphere Portal 5.

Workplace 1.1 will be available Nov. 24. The messaging offering costs $29 per user, collaboration is $89 per user, collaborative learning is $35 per user and the content-management system is priced at $49,999 per processor. The products run on the Windows, AIX and Linux (news - web sites) platforms.

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Subject: How many products do you know that have been around for one decade?

Saying it will likely be around another decade is AMAZING! Will Exchange be around in a decade? Will Microsoft still even support .NET in a decade? Let’s try to remember the world we live in. Look at the products you were using in 1993. Which of them do you still use? Even if this is an exit strategy, it is an exit strategy most companies can easily live with. I certainly can. I was worried about whether it would be around in two years.

Subject: RE: How many products do you know that have been around for one decade?

For the record I have almost no experience with Exchange. :wink:

Comparing to what MicroSoft does with Exchange or .NET is not exactly a valid comparison.

A better comparison would be to say will MS Office be around for a decade?

What if M$ released a new product that did the same functions as Office on a completely separate (bifurcated) track ?

On one side there are those technical docs and white papers, which if true, paint a reasonable (if not rosy) picture.

What are the intentions for that decade?

If this is an “exit strategy” (I am not saying that it is) it would be a completely different decade compared to if there would be “full steam ahead” development as a (or the) leading product.

To me the press releases and the White Papers present, at least somewhat, different pictures - and I am trying to resolve them.

Subject: RE: How many products do you know that have been around for one decade?

I’m not at all sure why Office is a better comparison. Was Office around a decade ago? (I’m not sure of the answer, but I don’t think so) Can Word 2003 even read Word 97 documents properly? Do you honestly think there is any chance that Office from today will be supported in a decade, even remotely? Microsoft seems to think nothing of ripping and replacing.

For comparison’s sake, in 1993, WordPerfect (DOS version) was THE dominant word processor. Netware was THE dominant networking software. I am not sure there was a dominant mail client, unless it was PROFS. Windows 3.1 was THE dominant client OS. OS/2 was still a real threat, and the only real multi-tasking OS out there. Use any of them recently? Ten years is a lifetime in this business.

Subject: RE: How many products do you know that have been around for one decade?

MS Word was around in at least 94 (probably earlier) – it has “evolved” into Office.

Office is the dominant package in its field.

It has developed, similarly to the way Notes/Domino has, with more features and capabilities and to a position of dominance.

The comparison I was making is this:

Suppose M$ suddenly released a competing product to Office - along a separate path?

You are right about MS ripping and replacing - and that is exactly what I do not want to see happen with Notes/Domino.

According to one of IBM’s documents Notes/Domino is going to be a component of Workplace.

Yes, ten years is a lifetime in this business - and I would like to see Notes/Domino be a comparable position as it is today in the year 2013 - not just a legacy cog in another package.

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Subject: RE: How many products do you know that have been around for one decade?

I certainly agree with your statement:

“Yes, ten years is a lifetime in this business - and I would like to see Notes/Domino be a comparable position as it is today in the year 2013 - not just a legacy cog in another package.”

I would as well. On the other hand, I would rather see it there in 2013 at all, or even in 2008, which seemed dubious not too long ago. I think it is very positive news that IBM is recognizing the values of Notes/Domino. The fact that it appears at all in the graphic you displayed is a big improvement over the state of things a year ago.

Subject: RE: How many products do you know that have been around for one decade?

I told you! It’s a paradigm/brainwave thing. Domino is similar to the Macintosh in a way. Someone did some nice deep thinking before baking the cake and IBM is slowly coming to realize this - IMHO. I think Notes will stick around still for longer than some people might have thought!

But I’m still multi-skilling to the J2EE/WebSphere side in the medium term. Don’t mind the learning bit at all…

Subject: *Learning never hurts, whether you stay with what you are doing or move on.

Subject: Thats not the issue…the issue is what to focus on learning…

There is only so much time left and so many different things to learn, so the issue is not whether to learn new stuff but what to learn. For example, focus on J2EE or .Net or both? Focus on C# or Java or scripting languages like Javascript or Python or Perl or all of em? I could diddle around the whole day and night with all that stuff and learn … and not get anything done…ouch :slight_smile: