I have databases designed and run in versions prior to 8.0.
I am now using 8.5.1.
I can use the database in 8.5.1 and my system will become unresponsive and do nothing. While the computer running 8.5.1 in not responding to a request, I can open the same database on the same server on another computer running Notes 7.3 (an older, slower computer), process the same document that is hung on the new computer running 8.5.1 (eclipse) client and designer, save and close the document and all the while the 8.5.1 client is still not responding. I will eventually have to reboot the computer.
Happens all the time.
8.5.1 is such a disappointment.
Subject: Client and Designer crash
I was facing the same issue in Domino Designer. Whenever I try to open Designer it crashes.
Problem which I identified was the desktop.ndk . I was using the old copy of this file , once fresh installation was made and no previous file copied to new installation it worked fine. Hope this was the same scenario as mine …
Subject: no problems here
must be your computer
Subject: 8.5
To run 8.5 (I assume you mean standard, not basic), your PC must have 2GB RAM, not just the 1GB that is recommended.
The other problem we’ve had is with our virus scanenr. We turn off virus scanning of the notes directory and this speeds things up quite a bit. If you’re using mcafee (like us), you need to make sure you don’t have any add-ins and extensions installed as part of the virus scanner as well.
Once we had this done our apps are just as fast in 8.5 as they were in 7
Subject: I have to wonder if this is related to VM usage?..
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I run R8.5.1FP1 in a VM, and had all manner of ugliness with R8.5.x before I started doing so. Thing is, the VM is not running a virus scanner. I’ve discovered that the host anti-virus suite is managing the VM process, as a whole, just like any other process, but within the VM, the “machine” will see no security software of any sort.
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This is on an XP Pro host, not a 64-bit one, so it’s not a 64-bit incompatibility issue. It’s a DDE is unstable issue. Unless it’s in a VM. Then I wouldn’t call it rock solid, but it is pretty darned reliable, comparatively. It’s run all day every day for months and it DDE itself hasn’t crashed once. (knocks on head)
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I use ZoneAlarm, not McAfee, and don’t have any directories excluded, though I also have never noticed any slowdown. Maybe I should try excluding the Notes directory and see what that does? I should point out that R8.5FP1, Notes client only, runs on this host without any problems, either. It’s only when I start using DDE that the ugliness begins. I can launch it, but the longer I attempt to use DDE, the more likely something will go horribly awry, and I’ll have kill all the Notes processes and relaunch to fix it.
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I also had more trouble in the VM when I did an upgrade from R8.5FP1 to R8.5.1. It’s much better doing a clean install on a fresh VM instance. It gets a bit wonky after an upgrade … no crash on DDE, just weirdo mangling of code, individual editor tabs crashing, and overall (more) erratic operation.
Still, I have to wonder if anti-virus software is related to why R8.5.x DDE is so stable in the VM, where it’s a nightmare outside of it? Very interesting!
Subject: Seconded
I would have to second the virus scanner. Just like Dan, we use McAfee and this was the cause of problems for us.
When you load the 8 client, there lots of additional individual eclipse files that are being loaded. If you open the on-access scan statistics (again if your using McAfee) and then launch notes, you’ll see lots of eclipse files being scanned as they load.
Eventually I excluded certain folders and things ran a lot quicker.
It’s still a little slow in the designer when opening some databases on our server, so I haven’t completely solved what’s happening there (sometimes it’s ok, sometimes there a minute delay). You open the same database in a designer 7 client, it’s almost instantaneous.
Subject: Agreed
We’re going to Symantec. If you’re a Mcafee customer you know well how many patches have been released that have attempted to resolve compatibility issues with Notes. We’ve been very patient but it’s time to move on.
Subject: Mcafee
What made the biggest difference for us was removing the extension manager from the notes.ini.
Check your notes.ini for a line like
ExtMgr_Addins=NCExtMgr
Remove the NCextMgr (and the whole line if it’s the only add-in, but there may be more than one)
This took the notes client from crashing regularly to no crashes (well, OK virtually none then)
Subject: McAfee
And don’t forget to remove “AddInMenus=NCMenu” as well. Also, McAfee patches will tend to sneak both notes.ini parameters back in…