Sharepoint really sucks Lotus Notes

HI, This is real.

Is IBM aware of that. Many of the Companies are making a move out of Lotus Notes. This is the time for IBM to open and look around. Today our company had some discussions with one of the Microsoft certified partner.

I need reply from any IBM Senior Management.

Regards,

Notes Developer

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Willy:

I think that many of the people that used to contribute to the forums have moved on to Web 2.0, or simply left the forums for a variety of reasons. Several of those reasons could be:

No feedback that the response helped.

“I want you to write my code for me.”

No effort to find the answer, either through Google or search of the forums.

A lot of the old contributors, I now find on their blogs, where they have a forum for wide ranging Lotus Notes/Domino content. There is still a thriving and vibrant community around Lotus Notes/Domino. It just isn’t in the forums.

Gregg

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I truly agree the comments from Gregg and Willy.

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Willy:

If it wasn’t for your post, I would not have known about notes411.com, notestips.com, or dominobible.com. To me, they didn’t even exist before your comment.

As for IdeaJam and OpenNTF, I would guess that there is a perceived lack of support from IBM that may be negatively impacting their appeal. But, don’t ask me, send a message to Bruce (IdeaJam) or Vince (OpenNTF) and ask them.

For the jobs, I know that planetlotus has added Jobs to its aggregator, and it looks like there are a few jobs out there:

http://planetlotus.org/jobs/

Why aren’t there more? Maybe no one is leaving? People are doing more with less? I have no idea. Maybe there is more going on in LinkedIn, or people are using their personal networks and not posting to the job sites.

If you are in the NY area, there are a few Lotus bloggers in your area. Again, take a look at planetlotus.org. Ask them why you aren’t seeing a thriving Lotus community. You may share their perspective.

The point of this is that there are people out there that can directly address your concerns. While the forum is a good release, there are much better, more informed avenues.

You didn’t ask why there aren’t more Notes/Domino Release 8 books on your local bookstores shelves. :slight_smile:

I certainly don’t have solid answers to your questions, but I hope that I have helped.

Thanks.

Gregg

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As for notestips.com, that was Mike Golding’s personal site, and he has since gone off to pursue photography in a very serious way. Mike may still do Domino development as a day job – I don’t know – but he started devoting all of his leisure time to family and the call of the shutter a couple of years before he let the domain slip. (And there is some spectacular work on his photo site. It’s clearly something Mike was meant to do, and the volume of work shows that it’s not just a casual pursuit.)

That’s one man’s change of personal priorities, not an industry diagnostic. Yes, it’s a shame that the info the site contained wasn’t kept live (Jake Howlett was trying to arrange for that for a while), but a lot of what was there was the sort of workarounds we needed for R5.

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Venugopal,

Are you just trolling for comments, or do you need to get your local IBM reps involved?

The other post in this thread () is not necessarily reflective of what is going on in the community or what IBM are doing with Notes. I mean seriously - Ideajam is dead?

Ed Brill has written ad nauseam on this topic in his blog about the success IBM have had with companies moving to Notes in the last few years, and the commitment IBM have to Lotus.

There is another post in this forum () only a few ahead of yours that is about an organisation that has obviously recently moved to Notes/Domino. I have personally been involved in 5 migrations from the Microsoft platform to Domino in this year alone.

In the last couple of weeks I have provided training in Domino administration for a major Telco (who themselves are an Exchange shop) because they need to provide services to a large number of their clients who are Domino shops. The Telco realised that they needed some in-house expertise to be able to effectively provide support to those clients.

One of the most interesting things about that project were the comments from the participants. Being a Microsoft shop they had the perception that Notes/Domino administration or development was difficult, simply because it wasn’t M$. Following their training - and frequently during it - the participants commented that they could not believe how EASY it is to manage things within a Domino environment, compared to M$.

Maybe that’s the reason that the other post in this thread () is seeing a “reduction” in activity from forums - it really IS easy to most stuff in Domino. If a critical mass of knowledge has been achieved by those involved with, or using, the Domino platform then that would clearly be a contributing factor as to whether there are a large number of posts in forums asking questions on how to do stuff.

One comment I would have regarding why anyone would see more activity in the Exchange/Sharepoint environment at the moment would be the relative “newness” of the Sharepoint software, and that organisations upgrading their Exchange systems HAVE to get an understanding of Sharepoint, since they have been forced into using it because Public Folders are no longer part of Exchange.

The other observation would be how HARD it is to do anything beyond the “basic” in Sharepoint. Try to create a simple Contact-Comments application in Sharepoint. I mean seriously - try it. Basic stuff in Notes, a little more complex in Access or SQL, difficult in Sharepoint!

You comments don’t really contribute anything meaningful to this forum, and it’s probably not even the right place to discuss your own companies internal decision making and evaluation process.

I’m sure if you contacted your local Business Partner or IBM rep, they would be more than happy to discuss your situation - even from a competitive stand point - with your organisation, rather than creating a post in a forum hosted (I am assuming) on the other side of the world that your local IBM reps are not even monitoring to see whether YOU are considering a move to the M$ platform.

Regards,

Mat

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I need reply from IBM

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I posted here so that people will be aware of it, when their turn comes.

Venu

Subject: SharePoint is the future of collaboration…period.

Venu, I agree with you. I was in your shoes 2 years ago. It’s a losing battle because IBM reps don’t give a rats a$$ about their Notes customers. They have plenty of other products to sell. We literally begged our reps to meet with our CTO and they delayed to the point of him eventually saying he didn’t want to meet with them anyway. Next thing we knew a Microsoft enterprise agreement was signed.

You are not going to get any realistic replies on this forum. There are too many head-in-the-sand die hards out there that will wave their Notes flag even while they are starving in the unemployment line. It’s amazing to me. All of that talent would be great in the SharePoint or .NET space…too bad they are still worshipping a dead idol.

As the other person demonstrated, the proof is in the contributions to previously viable web sites and the complete lack of Notes jobs. Yes, there are a few people out there that still develop in Notes. A few. It doesn’t take a graduate degree in statistics to understand that a few doesn’t mean things are “thriving” or that the product is doing great.

My advice is to thank God your company is likely to migrate off of this dead horse and do everything in your power to get them to keep you so you can get experience in something that will give you a career again.